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Hi, I'm new to this, but am hoping that I will get a response. Last year my Husband and I found a breeder on line so we could obtain my favorite breed, The
White German Shepherd Dog. Well after going through all the proper channels to get him home with us we were thrilled to finally have our Dog. Ceasar is what we
called him and he is just beautiful to us. Back at the end of Feb. of this year we figured, since he just turned 6 months we had him fixed. Well after this, I
would say in about March or so we noticed Ceasar periodically would vomit. Didn't think much of it because we know that sometimes dogs vomit due to either
eating strange stuff outside or eating grass. Well after a while we started to notice that this was happening more frequently which started to make us wonder
why especially because I decided to examine the vomit and it was clear in color but had little specs of blood in it. Well off to the vet we went and after
taking blood work and a fecal exam the Vet gave said that the blood and fecal were all normal, but said that Ceasar probably has an ulcer. I asked the vet,
what would make a dog get an ulcer and he said stress. He said that Ceasar could of been stressed out after the surgery, which could of given him an ulcer.
Ceasar is a submissive dog and there have been times where we see he gets nervous. Well we were sent home with an antibiotic and an anti-vomiting medication
and were told to mix in his food with boiled rice and chopmeat. Well as soon as Ceasar finished his meds he again would periodically vomit. So I called the vet
again and this time he gave him a different antibiotic the same anti-vomit meds and we had to have him on a bland diet. So the Vet put him on Prescription Diet
I/D. Well during the both times that we had him on these meds he did not vomit. Some days he seemed great and some days even though he didn't vomit he
seemed so sad and lethargic. Well looks like we are back at square one. Ive been keeping track of the days he is ok verses the days he vomits. I don't
understand why this is still happening. I even asked the Vet if he ever saw this before in any other dogs and he said "No" and that Ceasar was the
first. I must also mention that Ceasars "poop" has no blood in it either. I called the Vet again yesterday and he said that we should still keep him
on the I/D food and make sure that Ceasar goes to sleep with a full stomach. I'm at my wits end with this problem and I feel so bad for Ceasar. The next
step for Ceasar would be to get the Barium test done along with xrays. The Vet told us that if Ceasar has a large ulcer that the Barium would stick to it, but
if he has a couple of little ulcers this barium test would do nothing. I had also found out that doing an endoscopy on Ceasar would run me almost $2000.00 of
which we don't have. All these vet visits are draining us as it is. This problem is also draining me mentally because for some reason I don't really
feel that Ceasar has an ulcer. I don't know what to think anymore. Should I get a second opinion or just see what happens in the next couple of days? Has
anyone ever experienced this in their dog?
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Well, he's eating. Does he vomit soon after eating? If not right away, how long after if he does?
Is he losing any weight? Any signs of swelling anywhere on his body? Is he having normal and regular bowl movements? (regular as in everyday) I'd go ahead and get those X-Rays done. That's how we found my German Shepherd's enlarged spline. Fortunately for Faulina, Vet did that first. Happened for no reason. There' could've been no other way to have seen something like that. I think if they're going to see any ulcers or anything internally, that's where to start.
I love all of them FOREVER and ALWAYS
RIP Faulina & Ted, the leaders of the pack.
Our latest edition as of about 4 yrs ago. Tilly
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to the forums,so sorry your Ceasar is going thru this,your vet is doing all the things
possible,were blood tests done,is he anemic ? somethings like this are genetic and pure breeds seems to suffer more,if that is the case long term medication
will be needed,only about 20% of ulcers in dogs are stress related, is Ceasar a nervous type. Have you spoken to the breeder to see if this has happened to
other related dogs? Ulcers are not the only cause of vomiting with blood,while not cheaper then a baruim test a Endoscopy or Ultasound might show small ulcer
type areas better,please keep us updated.
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Hello, there! Welcome to FF&F!
There are a variety of causes for diarrhea and vomiting in dogs, and it's possible he has developed an intestinal viral or bacterial infection; he also may have allergies to some ingredients in his food, especially if it contain corn, gluten and/or artificial additives and preservatives. Also, Esophageal Dilation is another reason for vomiting in Shepherds. http://www.sniksnak.com/doghealth/diarrhea.html http://www.sniksnak.com/doghealth/vomiting.html http://www.sniksnak.com/doghealth/allergies.html We have a female half German, half Australian Shepherd who has ED, though now that she's gotten older, her vomitus is no longer bloody. We make sure that she always eats upright by elevating her food bowls: http://www.sniksnak.com/doghealth/megaesophagus.html Has any evaluation been done on his pancreas? The cause of pancreatitis is not known; however, there may be several contributory factors. It is often associated with rich, fatty meals or it may be associated with the administration of cortisone. http://www.sniksnak.com/doghealth/pancreatitis.html Since he's able to eat, how is his hydration? Is he drinking plenty of water or does he seem to not drink much? It's very important that he doesn't develop dehyration. Since this has gone on for as long as it has, I don't think it will resolve on its own. Have you gone for a second opinion at a different vet? I hope all will be well and Ceasar will be feeling much more comfortable, once he's had the barium.
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Disclaimer: this post is only useful if ANY medical issue has been ruled out. If you have found a medical issue with your Shepherd, please consult with your
vet whether the following is of any use for your dog. Do not take my word for it, and always research your options and discuss them with your vet.
My experience with Shepherds is that they are prone to sensitive tummies, and I've seen it referred to as 'shepherd stomach'. The majority of non-medical related causes of the trots and vomiting without blood, then eating the vomit again, are a high grain and filler content in the kibble, and too much food in one sitting. One thing to consider, is to give your Shepherd 2 meals per day rather than 1, if you're not doing so already. One meal per day can exascerbate her tummy/intestine irritation. Larger breed dogs often do better with two meals rather than one. The shepherds that I've known to have had these issues greatly benefitted by giving them non-grain foods or even going raw. There are some really good non-grain kibbles on the market. One that we have found in Canada is "Orijen". It's a bit pricier, but if it helps with their tummy and digestion, it saves a lot in vet bills and senior issues/ medical treatments down the road. Since it is absorbed better and has less fillers (which also clog up the intestines, making digestion harder), you also need less. For going raw, you'd need to really read up on what goes and doesn't go, since there are good and bad ways to go raw. When we got Bodhi at 8 weeks, she was underweight, skinny and too small for her predicted adult size. She was used to Hill's Science diet, which is what the SPCAs here use. It's full of fillers (even the first ingredient is corn), has 'digest' in it, which is a fancy name for fecal matter, and not one of the best brands for quality food. While we were exploring what we would use instead (we are used to European brands, so we needed time to figure out what we'd use here in Canada) we switched to Medi-Cal, which was a slight improvement, but not much. Bodhi didn't want to have it soaked (literally refused to eat), but not soaking it would cause her tummy to distend, she'd over-eat if she could and then get tummy aches, vomit it all up again, eat the vomit, and later have the trots. We fed her smaller amounts (6x/day) which helped her hold her food down, though she'd still occasionally have the trots. Then we found Orijen and switched to that over a 2 week period. We're now at 3 meals of Orijen per day, no throwing up, no trots. Her skin has improved (less dry, less scratching), her fur is shinier, her behaviour is more even throughout the day (tummy aches make for a cranky pup!). Her breath is better, her poo is solid but not hard, and consistent throughout the day. Obviously she is a pup and her behaviour and bodily funtions are maturing, and I mean to say that the observed changes are beyond regular maturation. Anyway, I would summarize this by suggesting a 2 meals/day routine, and see whether your dog currently has a high-grain diet that could exascerbate the tummy and intestinal upsets. |
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cedar I have to say I agree,quite a few breeds have problems with foods,Thanks for posting
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